Archive for August, 1999
Yes, let’s spell out this age-old debate.
Most of the time when this debate is argued it’s Seiya is better than Mamoru. Mamoru is better than Seiya. Seiya did this, Mamoru did that. Umm… Where is Usagi? Usagi when she is brought up is put to the side and then the age-old examples come up without her feelings considered.
What the debate often really is about is 2 things:
1. Which character: Mamoru or Seiya you would like to date YOU, not Usagi. (Since this debate seems to be more popular among the girls)
2. Which character you like better/ more resemble. (because you want to be Usagi’s date… or imagine it.)
In both cases it’s petty and useless bickering. No one seems to really care about Usagi until someone brings it up. When she is brought up, her choices are not brought in consideration. Her final choice was Mamoru and Seiya supporters hate that. She did go out on a date with Seiya, Mamoru supporters hate that.
Seiya Manga and Anime:
The problem with the people that advocate Seiya is that they entirely ignore that Seiya is female. Manga or Anime, Seiya is still female. Supporting quotes?
* Kakyuu: Fighter? * Fighter: ha..Hai? * Kakyuu: Chikyuu de wa zutto sono kakko o? * Fighter: Kono hoshii de tatai shitori no josei o mitsukete tamani wa kono ho sogo wakata nande. * Kakyuu: Gomen nasai, etc (she continues as if Fighter refers to her which fighter acknowledges.)
English Translation 194: (Mine–a little rough, but I tried to get better affect than the subs).
* Kakyuu: Fighter? * Fighter: ye–yes? * Kakyuu: On Earth do you always use this appearance? * Fighter: This… [I/We]wanted to only find the lady this was more convenient. * Kakyuu: Sorry, etc (she continues as if Fighter refers to her which fighter acknowledges.)
* Kakyuu: Fighter? * Fighter: Y…yes! * Kakyuu: Do you use that appearance on Earth? * Fighter: Oh…to find the only lady here, this was more convenient… * Kakyuu: I’m sorry. (etc)
However, Seiya’s feelings are not fully reciprocated and acknowledges the one-sided romance, finally kissing her cheek and saying “I wish I had met you sooner.”–Episodes 194 and 195.
In Episode 195, also, Seiya confuses Usagi with Princess Kakyuu. Are Seiya’s feelings for Usagi really about her being Usagi, like Mamoru, or is it because she feels like a princess, as said, “I like your light.”
“I wanted to tell you my feelings because Seiya’s time is short”– Seiya, Episode 195
Seiya is always advocated in the anime, never in the manga. Because in the manga Seiya is 100% female.
So who is Seiya in the anime. Seiya in the anime is a altered version of Seiya in the manga. He is rash, abrupt, courageous, has a henshin, powers, pushy, and arrogant. He did not ask Usagi on a date, he told her that she was going on a date. He is a replacement Mamoru. The animators obviously made him a replacement Mamoru. They made Seiya more Mamoru than Haruka, which was exactly what Takeuchi-sensei said that she had planned for Seiya (Materials Collection). The animators needed to keep the romantic image of the series while Mamoru was away. They couldn’t animate the manga storyline because it was too short and too intense. They had to stretch out the acts into several episodes, which they couldn’t do with the manga plotline. Since they had to do that, Mamoru would be gone for a long time. So, Seiya stepped in as a replacement for Usagi’s love interest because Seiya was a Leo and had the same or similiar features as Mamoru.
Most people say they like Seiya because he isn’t wimpy. They say he would never break up with Usagi (though he/she’s never been in a long term relationship with any girl as far as was shown in the manga or anime.) He has powers (even though it’s in female form). He is strong and isn’t helpless. He still makes corny lines though and grows breasts. But that doesn’t matter as long as he is male. They also say they like him because he is the kind of guy they would date/ are most like.
Mamoru Manga and Anime
While most fans of Seiya advocate anime, Mamoru fans advocate manga. The anime did happen, even if Takeuchi-sensei never meant him to break up with Usagi because she never created that story arc, and though he says corny speeches and doesn’t take as big a role, it still happened.
Mamoru in the anime is more of the typical “Mysterious Bishounen” male that is now littering the airways. He is 100% male. He is also cheesy, but he’s also very caring. He’s very paitent with Usagi and will buy her far more stuff than any guy I know would buy for a girl, and he buys more stuff in the anime for Usagi than in the manga.
He also wears a tuxedo, but he’s smart, and not just book smart, but resourceful. He’s pointed out many-a-thing to Sailor Moon in his Tuxedo form that most people wouldn’t think of. Plus he’s got excellent balance which I’m not sure if Seiya has.
Yes, he did tease and laugh at Usagi, but that was long before he was dating her. It was also before he was sure that he liked her. He didn’t know how to express his feelings towards her, and often it comes out as teasing and pestering.
It’s also said that you love a person if you can live without them. Mamoru thought Usagi would die if he stayed with her. He loved her so much, that he thought he could endure the pain of living without her. He clenched his chest and poor Mamoru, who is so easily brainwashed that he would succomb to his own brainwashing, felt genuinely that he would be the cause of Usagi’s death. He loved her so much that he felt that it were better that she were alive and thought of her well-being, and let his love go.
Mamoru in the manga is no contest to the Mamoru in the anime… he is clearly more romantic, plays a larger role, and helps out Usagi in more ways than one. He’s there to both support her and be her guide. He was the one that finally got her to fight bravely in the first place. He helped her make her into the courageous Sailor soldier that she was. Usagi loves him and is devoted to him entirely. No person could contend this.
Usagi Manga and Anime
Usagi was feeling alone. She’d just sent off her boyfriend, and almost fiancé to the far reaches of the United States. She was feeling even more alone with Chibiusa permenantly gone and with her training completely finished. She loved Chibiusa beyond words that she could really express. Two people closest to her heart are gone and there is a big hole there. However, she feels loyal to them and knows that she will see them again.
Usagi in the anime particularly doesn’t like to show that she’s being weak and worry others. She wants to be the one that’s worried, not her friends. She believes that it’s better not to show her concern, too much, especially when nothing can really be done about it. She wants to be strong and often promises in the anime that she will be strong and not bend under the pressure.
But because she hides her emotions in that way, she feels disjointed. It’s not natural for her not to show her emotions. If she shows her emotions she’s not being strong like she thinks people want her to be. She ends up turning into a character that looks listless and distracted. This is because she is and believes that she can’t really confide in anyone.
In her heart she loves Mamoru, she doesn’t just love him because they are destined to be together, because he’s been there no matter what, he’s stuck it out with her through thick and thin. Even if he did break up with her, she’s forgotten it already, she understands his motivations. She trusts him, literally with her life. She sees him as wise and paitent. She sees him as a part of her that she can’t let go, could never let go, and never forget. She can’t forget what he’s done for her, and also how much her heart is filled with love for him. Chibiusa aside, she really, really loves him and trusts him. She can’t think any wrong of him, or ever believe that he could disappear from her life.
She also loves Seiya, but as a friend (Seiya acknowledges this). Even when she was going out on a date and Seiya got close to her, she stopped and remembered Mamoru. She realized that Seiya reminded her of Mamoru, and it was Mamoru that she wanted in her life. She missed him, a lot.
Seiya came in searching for her Princess. Usagi knows this, and in a way can read Seiya better than he can read himself. When they were on the ferris wheel she told him about her dreams. She knew that it was not her he was looking for. He was looking for the Princess he missed dearly.
Seiya also knew it was Mamoru that Usagi was searching and waiting for. Though Seiya felt love for Usagi, he knew in the end that she loved Mamoru. He also knew when she called out his name on his forced “date”. Seiya liked Usagi being so loyal and knew from the start that Usagi would never give into him no matter how hard he tried, but he tried anyway.
The manga is no argument… so let’s move on.
Despite Seiya’s powers and how strong and cool Seiya is, Seiya’s powers do not tell if Seiya and Usagi LOVE each other. It also does not tell if what Seiya is doing is moralistically right. Is it right, despite who the person is, to chase after a person that is ENGAGED to another person? Usagi is wearing Mamoru’s ring.
In the end of both Usagi’s chose Mamoru. She didn’t do it out of obligation to Chibiusa. She didn’t do it because she knew they were destined, after all she broke up/ almost broke up several times. She did it because she LOVED Mamoru. No one can force anyone else to fall in love with anyone else.
Seiya learned this about Usagi. He / She also learned that he / she found that Usagi’s loyalty and honesty were refreshing, and strengthened his / her resolve to find his / her princess. It was positive for Seiya not to be Usagi’s love interest.
In the end everyone was happy with the results. Seiya wasn’t that sad, he was satisfied with the results. He just wanted Usagi to say that she liked him, or at least recognize that he liked her in the anime. But Seiya found her princess. Sailor Starfighter left, smiling, and Usagi and Mamoru kissed under the moon happy and satisfied. Why mess Sailor Starfighter is building a new planet and a new life after Sailor Moon. She is happy. Leave her at that.